randoboi said:
everyone who downvoted this is deathly afraid of finding a penis under that dress. pussies.

On a website filled with content of girls with dicks of all things. Lmao.

Most of the time, when people make images like this, they get a storm of down votes. Stuff like this makes me wanna pick the brains of websites like this... E621, Hypnohub, R34 and other places to find out why images like this end up downvoted so often...

As a Trans woman, She's not "Canonically" trans. There are theories, with basis saying she might be trans.
But until a statement is made she is trans, it's not in the canon, so stop saying it's canon.
I wouldn't mind her being trans, I'd love it, in fact, but that doesn't mean I claim it as fact, before we know it to be true.

So stop pushing it as fact people! It's this fanaticism that paints us in bad light, how upset you get over people pointing out she may not actually be trans.
Wish for her to be trans, make comments about her being trans, but don't pick fights over it, don't claim it as fact and bring hate to people who disagree, that will solve none of our problems.

And besides, setting your mind about it being canon makes it hurt a lot more if they decide to point out that she's not, in the canon... So for everyone, including ourselves, just stop.
That said, you can still draw her in trans colors and stuff, just the whole canon debate.

kerocylinx said:
i don't mind the image itself, i mind the fact that its drawn in the Family Guy style

What about this says "Family Guy" to you?

skelefurs said:
It's transphobia, plain and simple. From my understanding, people fetishize trans people a lot because "haha girly boy with a dick" is an attractive concept to them, and yet accepting that transgender people exist is too much.

Personally, I don't think it is. I think it's just you slapping the words "canon" and "trans" in the same sentence without any kind of real conformation on there being a canonically trans character in the upcoming game. We should be open about all the possibilities, yes, but we shouldn't just assume she's trans.

Keep your politics away from my porn habit

lombaxrights said:
The developer who designed the character supports her being trans. His twitter is public too. It's enough confirmation to at least allow us to have representation without cisgender people throwing a fit because a couple of transgender fans of the series feel represented by a cute character.

skelefurs said:
I appreciate hearing the thoughts of a trans woman about this, however, that doesn't mean you can't be wrong about this. What's saying that she ISN'T trans? Characters aren't cis by default and thinking that way is harmful to the trans community.

Admittedly, part of my "canon" talk is due to people saying exactly what you did - that there must be proof that she's trans otherwise she's cis. We have proof already though, the tail & a trans right comment from a person who worked on the game(?). There's nothing opposing the idea, although we won't know for sure until the game is officially out so for now, she's trans until proven otherwise.

The phrase "Trans rights" Doesn't confirm transgender. Ask the developer directly.

skelefurs said:
This isn't politics, this is a human rights thing. People are allowed to exist by just being themselves. Honestly I just made a silly picture while excited for the new character, but I don't control the discussion in the comments.

To be fair the game isn't out yet, but realistically we will likely not get any kind of confirmation outside of what we already have. I don't know the ratchet & clank fanbase, but if it includes a lot of transphobes, giving us any more proof than what we already have would be a financially bad move for the devs. This is why we don't get straight up confirmation for majority of trans coded characters, because these companies run a business and it wouldn't be profitable to alienate a huge chunk of the playerbase. (even if it would be the morally right thing to do)

Also as I've mentioned before, cis is NOT the default. We don't need confirmation for every trans character because a lot of us trans folk exist without having to prove ourselves to every single person around us.

I agree that maybe rushing to call her being trans "canon" is a stretch, but I prefer it than completely ignoring what we've been given so far for the sake of appealing to the cis crowd.

You should take into account the many tweets from devs referring to her as female, to be fair.

lombaxrights said:
The developer who designed the character supports her being trans. His twitter is public too. It's enough confirmation to at least allow us to have representation without cisgender people throwing a fit because a couple of transgender fans of the series feel represented by a cute character.

Not necessarily, though if Rift ends up being trans, congrats. Rift's designer may just enjoy for people drawing Rift as a trans person, or this may actually confirm the fact that she is, in fact, trans. It's safer to not assume anything, but take things from both sides of the argument. That being said, I thank you for making an ass out of you and me for implying that I don't want a trans character even though I do.

skelefurs said:
Trans women are women. She has a tail, something female lombaxes naturally don't have, and she's been referred to as female. That only confirms it further.

"Lombaxes are also sexually dimorphic: female lombaxes possess breasts, have smaller ears, lack tails, and can grow hair"
She has hair too. Wouldn't that signify female?

skelefurs said:
Trans women are women. She has a tail, something female lombaxes naturally don't have, and she's been referred to as female. That only confirms it further.

In case you haven't interacted with (m)any trans people before, you don't refer to us as trans, you simply call us by our gender.

You're right that people simply refer to you by your preferred gender, but the tweet you mentioned as proof didn't directly address the Lombax's gender, but the topic of transphobia and transgender rights as a whole. There's nothing offensive about a Lombax being transgender, but nobody on the dev team or any official information directly mentions anything about her gender except being explicitly named Female. If the game were to release and there was no plot development or anything about her being transgender, is she still transgender?

skelefurs said:
Trans women are women. She has a tail, something female lombaxes naturally don't have, and she's been referred to as female. That only confirms it further.

Or, you know, it's just a retcon. That thing that usually happens in media.

skelefurs said:
In case you haven't interacted with (m)any trans people before, you don't refer to us as trans, you simply call us by our gender.

And yet, you need trans characters in media despite "trans x are x". If you really do think you are a woman, than having a female character should be enough because you're "not a trans woman, you're just a woman". Starting to feel like this whole thing is a con by people who don't even believe it themselves.

thetundraterror said:
Or, you know, it's just a retcon. That thing that usually happens in media.

If anything it doesn't help that Lombaxes haven't had consistent designs over the history of the game series as a whole, so even I can't take the wiki as proof either.

renabu said:
If anything it doesn't help that Lombaxes haven't had consistent designs over the history of the game series as a whole, so even I can't take the wiki as proof either.

"But that's just a theory! A shame theory! Thanks for downvoting!"

samaelcross said:
Fuckin god i wish
But cAAApitalims, imarigh?

Yes because communism has no flaws correct?

skelefurs said:
It's transphobia, plain and simple. From my understanding, people fetishize trans people a lot because "haha girly boy with a dick" is an attractive concept to them, and yet accepting that transgender people exist is too much.

Just because you disagree with someone thats not transphobia... the game trailer is barly a week old and people are already thinking the game character is transgender because she has a tail... it was stated by the devs than most likely she is female because she is from a different dimension where lombax's might have tails and be female... besides its not canon... we wont know whats canon until the game comes out... they could completely change the character at launch... we will never know until then

What bothers me about this whole debate is that neither side is right nor are they wrong.

The trans side of the debate are quick to present this as fact, without having much conclusive evidence deeming it so. These people are taking basically a throw away and quite easily a retconned line, a model mistake from a previous game, and the devs completely ambiguous political stance while screaming atop their lungs that this is the truth.

Then you have the cis side who is just yelling at the other side in needlessly toxic ways, which is making both sides just constantly being at each other's throats. All we know about the character is that they go by she/her pronouns and that is it.

I have my own beliefs and ideas for the character based off of personal views, but none of them are official because this character is still quite literally a blank slate. If she's trans, cool, good for the community to have their character they can faun over and project themselves through, but if she's cis it's not going to devalue the character at all to me. I actually really appreciate Harblin's response.

Most of the pride images for this character are upvoted, some heavily so, I don't think it's just a case of "ew trans bad"

lombaxrights said:
It's really funny because, As a Transgender Woman myself;

Your thoughts are the exact opposite of literally the majority of our community. You're up there with the "silencing" people.

so being reasonable and not jumping the gun is the opposite of the trans community...

skelefurs said:
I appreciate hearing the thoughts of a trans woman about this, however, that doesn't mean you can't be wrong about this. What's saying that she ISN'T trans? Characters aren't cis by default and thinking that way is harmful to the trans community.

Admittedly, part of my "canon" talk is due to people saying exactly what you did - that there must be proof that she's trans otherwise she's cis. We have proof already though, the tail & a trans right comment from a person who worked on the game(?). There's nothing opposing the idea, although we won't know for sure until the game is officially out so for now, she's trans until proven otherwise.

I am not saying she isn't trans, I'm saying she isn't *canonically* trans until it's said she's trans.
I am also not saying she's cis, For something to be canon, it has to be confirmed, so right now, she's neither Trans or Cis, she's a girl.

lombaxrights said:
It's really funny because, As a Transgender Woman myself;

Your thoughts are the exact opposite of literally the majority of our community. You're up there with the "silencing" people.

I am not saying she isn't trans, I'm saying we don't know for sure yet.
I am also not saying she's cis, For something to be canon, it has to be confirmed, so right now, she's neither Trans or Cis, she's a girl.

harblin said:
As a Trans woman, She's not "Canonically" trans. There are theories, with basis saying she might be trans.
But until a statement is made she is trans, it's not in the canon, so stop saying it's canon.
I wouldn't mind her being trans, I'd love it, in fact, but that doesn't mean I claim it as fact, before we know it to be true.

So stop pushing it as fact people! It's this fanaticism that paints us in bad light, how upset you get over people pointing out she may not actually be trans.
Wish for her to be trans, make comments about her being trans, but don't pick fights over it, don't claim it as fact and bring hate to people who disagree, that will solve none of our problems.

And besides, setting your mind about it being canon makes it hurt a lot more if they decide to point out that she's not, in the canon... So for everyone, including ourselves, just stop.
That said, you can still draw her in trans colors and stuff, just the whole canon debate.

Fucking agreed, And I like to believe she's cis. I just don't appreciate everyone jumping the gun on this character and trying to label them. A dev made a political statement (probably just to stir the pot or gain some klout) and people are losing their minds. Kind of makes me sad because I look forward to this game without the internet trashing that. (E6 aside)

lombaxrights said:
Every time a person has to argue how she possibly can't be trans because it's "forcing" something,

She only becomes more trans. >:)

So, you admit the whole thing is just spite?

thetundraterror said:
So, you admit the whole thing is just spite?

Nah I never said that but apparently it's a problem enough so you can believe what you want. Obviously nobody can read sarcasm.

Nobody is going to be happy either way. The only solution they want is for transgender folk to be quiet and just not have representation or not be able to voice how happy they are that a character might be trans.

We might as well just, continue letting her be a transgender icon for us. It's going to piss ya'll off regardless.

lombaxrights said:
Nah I never said that but apparently it's a problem enough so you can believe what you want. Obviously nobody can read sarcasm.

Nobody is going to be happy either way. The only solution they want is for transgender folk to be quiet and just not have representation or not be able to voice how happy they are that a character might be trans.

We might as well just, continue letting her be a transgender icon for us. It's going to piss ya'll off regardless.

WE DONT EVEN KNOW.... this character is barley a week old... why dont we wait for the devs to tell us... someone being transgender or swapping genders (see rule 63) doesnt make us angry.... your forced assumption of a character that we dont even have a name of besides RAL is bothering us...

bilboballsack said:
WE DONT EVEN KNOW.... this character is barley a week old... why dont we wait for the devs to tell us... someone being transgender or swapping genders (see rule 63) doesnt make us angry.... your forced assumption of a character that we dont even have a name of besides RAL is bothering us...

i agree with this man or woman or what have you

Uh, she's confirmed to be female.

gravelordnito said:
Uh, she's confirmed to be female.

Well of course! She just also might have a female penis. :D

Or however her own personal journey might be. <3

lombaxrights said:
Well of course! She just also might have a female penis. :D

Or however her own personal journey might be. <3

I doubt they'll be adding a canonical futa.

lombaxrights said:
Nobody is going to be happy either way. The only solution they want is for transgender folk to be quiet and just not have representation or not be able to voice how happy they are that a character might be trans.

Like I said, it makes no sense for a group of people who think that "trans x are x" to have "trans x" characters if they don't considering themselves "trans x" but rather "x".

lombaxrights said:
"Regular" people only view us as a fetish. Outside of a fetish, it's "impossible" to consider us an actuality, even for a fictional character outside of porn.

Or, you know, we're tired of this "you made this? I made this" attitude with respect to taking someone else's creation and using it for your sociopolitical views. If you really feel so strongly about it, why not make your very own characters from the ground up? Why this need to take what someone else makes and twist it for little more than self-validation?

skelefurs said:
The fact that it bothers you is the problem. WHY does it bother you to see a possibly transgender character? You have internalized transphobia issues. You see trans people getting one good thing and you're trying to take it away from us and then cry about the "angry transgenders who don't have any boundaries" or whatnot.

The issue isn't trans characters: it's using someone else's IP in order to soapbox your personal opinions. It's beyond cringe inducing which, considering we're talking about the furry fandom, says quite a bit. It also doesn't help when you lash onto a character you know nothing about an self-impose your personal thoughts and beliefs onto them. This isn't you "getting one good thing" and us "taking it away from you". It's you needing to attach yourself onto something like a Remora and shouting down anyone who says anything contradictory to your ideas.

lombaxrights said:
She doesn't have to be "futa".

She's trans. :D

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See, here's the issue;

"Regular" people only view us as a fetish. Outside of a fetish, it's "impossible" to consider us an actuality, even for a fictional character outside of porn.

It's literally been stated by the character's designer that it's a girl, not a trans girl. It would be a disservice to trans people not to let them know that they have a character representing them in the game, and so it would make sense (considering the creator is a furry himself) that the character being stated to be a girl is a girl, not a trans girl, as her being the latter would have almost certainly involved clarification for the aforementioned reasons.

It is due to this basic reasoning that I assumed the only other alternative chick with a dick you could be referring to would be a futa; however, it would seem at best inappropriate for them to put a futanari character in a large publisher video game.

uh...no

lombaxrights said:
Trans girls are girls. Trans is an adjective, not a noun.

As for the futa comment, I was responding to TheTundraTerror; to whom the only girls with dicks that exist must be "futa". Which, isn't the case; cuz we're talking about transgender women. We're not asking for her to be "futa". We're excited about trans representation and people are telling us to shut up about it.

You were not replying to Tundra; look at the comment I specifically replied to in the comment quotes. What's interesting is that you ignored everything I actually said and addressed none of it. You're wasting my time. Whether or not trans girls are just girls or not is not relevant at all. If you actually read what I said, I reasoned as to why her being stated to be a girl is almost certainly referring to her as being a female girl, not a trans girl. I won't repeat it; it's all written right there for you to wrap your mind round.

Admittedly, the reasoning remains a posteriori, as it always will be concerning matters of empiricism, however it's about as conclusive as a posteriori can get. A key entailment of it being incorrect would be that the designer would be being inconsiderate towards the very party he would be trying to appeal to, which is nonsensical. Therefore we have a basic reductio ad absurdum structure.

gravelordnito said:
You were not replying to Tundra; look at the comment I specifically replied to in the comment quotes. What's interesting is that you ignored everything I actually said and addressed none of it. You're wasting my time. Whether or not trans girls are just girls or not is not relevant at all. If you actually read what I said, I reasoned as to why her being stated to be a girl is almost certainly referring to her as being a female girl, not a trans girl. I won't repeat it; it's all written right there for you to wrap your mind round.

Admittedly, the reasoning remains a posteriori, as it always will be concerning matters of empiricism, however it's about as conclusive as a posteriori can get. A key entailment of it being incorrect would be that the designer would be being inconsiderate towards the very party he would be trying to appeal to, which is nonsensical. Therefore we have a basic reductio ad absurdum structure.

Sorry, I typed in the wrong name; I thought it was somebody else that said that. I guess my entire argument is invalid for misreading a name on a post! Oh no!

I believe I addressed all of my points. You're feeling your time is wasted because; not only do I disagree with you; but I'm persistent on my views because I like the fact that she is a character I am allowed to, with support of the devs, enjoy as a transgender character regardless of whether or not she is or isn't. :D

A nice thought, but it's more logical that they just went the basic route of girl!Ratchet because it's easy money.

lombaxrights said:
Sorry, I typed in the wrong name; I thought it was somebody else that said that. I guess my entire argument is invalid for misreading a name on a post! Oh no!

I believe I addressed all of my points. You're feeling your time is wasted because; not only do I disagree with you; but I'm persistent on my views because I like the fact that she is a character I am allowed to, with support of the devs, enjoy as a transgender character regardless of whether or not she is or isn't. :D

Come now, please don't reduce this to petty sarcasm, you're (hopefully) better than that. Nobody said that the person the post was addressed to held any accountability on validity. Regardless, your argument can be perfectly valid, and still remain unsound, and so validity is not at all important. For an argument to be valid, the conclusion has to be true on only the assumption that the premises leading to it are also true; therefore, an argument such as "This plant is naturally purple, a plant that is naturally purple cannot be grass, therefore this plant is not grass" is perfectly valid, however may be unsound if it turns out that in actuality the plant is grass (and is therefore green, or some other natural colouring for grass at any point within its life cycle).

The reason I feel like my time is being wasted is because you're ignoring my points and instead tunnel visioning on specific parts of them in isolation. What's ironic about this is that you claimed I feel like my time is being wasted because you're persistent, however the reason I felt that way was already explained within the comment itself. In case you've missed the irony: you commented on me feeling like I'm wasting my time whilst ignoring the point about what it is that made me feel that way and inserting your own, when the reason I feel like you're wasting my time is because you're ignoring most of what I'm saying. It's almost poetic.

Out of all the reasoning I have given, and the multiple points I have made, the only two things you chose to cherry pick were that there was confusion over which name was being addressed and that I feel like my time is being wasted. Those two things are not only some of the least significant things you could have gleaned from everything I said, but also almost completely apart from the core of the issue at hand, which reinforces the second issue once again, as you aren't actually addressing anything that's being said.

Came to see what the negatives were all about. Seems like harmless fan art to me, nothing to be blowing gaskets over. None of her designers or Insomniac themselves have stated that she's trans, so I think it should just be up to personal headcanon.

mrunder said:
Came to see what the negatives were all about. Seems like harmless fan art to me, nothing to be blowing gaskets over. None of her designers or Insomniac themselves have stated that she's trans, so I think it should just be up to personal headcanon.

They did however, say "Trans rights" to the whole debacle. So they're cool with it at least.

Basically, all the negatives come from a bunch of people who don't want trans people drawing their favorite characters with trans representation because of a "possibility" that we're happy about. They think it's forcing her to be trans, which they hate, cuz trans makes them uncomfortable. While they stare at the almost 10 pages of art of this character, fapping to her as she's depited by most other pieces of art as a cisgender female.

skelefurs said:
The fact that it bothers you is the problem. WHY does it bother you to see a possibly transgender character? You have internalized transphobia issues. You see trans people getting one good thing and you're trying to take it away from us and then cry about the "angry transgenders who don't have any boundaries" or whatnot.

Also, I can say that you're assuming the character to be cis. How is that any different? Hint: it's not. Majority of all characters to ever exist don't have any confirmation that they're cis. People are all different with different experiences, ANYONE can be trans. We don't NEED official confirmation because, as I explained earlier, it's not a smart business move for companies to confirm it. I mean, look at the shitstorm this one piece of art has caused, what do you think would happen if they straight out said it? Right now, you are the problem that's pushing it further, making it harder for trans people to simply exist without being threatened.

ok... lets take this one step at a time... 1. a character or person being transgender doesn't bother me.. i dont go into your spaces and spread hate.. 2. YOU think im a problem and are making crap up about me... im not "trans-phobic" i have no problem with trans people MAYBE you have an issue with Cis-people who knows you can decide for yourself who you hate and your doing the same thing your blaming me for which is assuming things... 3. lets go over this one more time... RAL ISNT YOUR CHARACTER IM NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU, YOU DONT OWN THIS CHARACTER!, your the one crying about how "hateful" i am because WE dont actually know what gender/sex this character is besides female because INSOMNIAC you know THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE CHARACTER, hasn't said anything besides supporting trans people...
4 .Im not assuming anything... the devs themselves said that she is female with a tail from another dimension... besides why dont you make your own transgender character, dont co-op someones else's character, thats not a nice thing to do, 5. YES WE DO NEED A CONFORMATION FROM THE DEVS! ITS THEIR CHARACTER, your assuming again the same thing you blame me for AGAIN, if we dont know what the gender/sex is it messes with the whole story and lore... Also why dont you want it to confirmed dont you want a place aswell, you said youself you want to exist?... 6. Yes anyone can be trans and thats ok... BUT DONT FORCE A CHARACTER that is less than a week old to be something you want... im not over here making other peoples characters boys/girls... again you see me as a problem and and as an enemy because i disagree with your CO-OP of a character and your assumptions... ill say it again, I dont have a problem with trans people, You have a problem with Cis-people who arent Yes-men...

lombaxrights said:
Well of course! She just also might have a female penis. :D

Or however her own personal journey might be. <3

she is a made up character... last time i checked made up people unless they are coded to dont just decide to change their gender....

skelefurs said:
Trans women are women. She has a tail, something female lombaxes naturally don't have, and she's been referred to as female. That only confirms it further.

In case you haven't interacted with (m)any trans people before, you don't refer to us as trans, you simply call us by our gender.

why are you grasphing so hard for something that might not happen.... She is a made up character... re-enforcing your own canon only makes this worse... Why dont we let the devs decide... but remember if they dont do something you like, "they are trans-phobic" and "hateful" and "bigoted"

lombaxrights said:
People are tired of anything related to transness anyway. They don't want us around.

The devs are cool with it! They even came out and said they're cool with it. Saying "Trans rights" in response to everyone arguing IMPLIES that they at least support the idea of it. So, it's not even a problem to begin with.

YOU just have a problem with it, because you don't want to see it. I guess you can just stop looking at it then?

"You're just using somebody else's IP in order to soapbox your personal opinions", says a person using an image of a Canonically non-ambiguous MLP character in a a bondage scene implying either femdom, gay, or other "controversial" themes. Get off YOUR soapbox, lmao.

are you seriously claiming someones observations is invalid because of the profile picture.....?????
Really grasping on the idea that we are hateful transphobes....

lombaxrights said:
Sorry, I typed in the wrong name; I thought it was somebody else that said that. I guess my entire argument is invalid for misreading a name on a post! Oh no!

I believe I addressed all of my points. You're feeling your time is wasted because; not only do I disagree with you; but I'm persistent on my views because I like the fact that she is a character I am allowed to, with support of the devs, enjoy as a transgender character regardless of whether or not she is or isn't. :D

so your just making shit up to support what you believe... you dont really care about the truth do you.... Like .... AT ALL....
just go off and do you own thing and stop trying to argue about a character that again YOU DONT OWN and are MAKING YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS AND BELIEFS.... just go do what calm people do and write a fan fic or something.. and please for the sake of everyone stop pulling that trans-phobic crap here no one hates transgender people here, doing so makes you look like an ableist and a bigot...

lombaxrights said:
They did however, say "Trans rights" to the whole debacle. So they're cool with it at least.

Basically, all the negatives come from a bunch of people who don't want trans people drawing their favorite characters with trans representation because of a "possibility" that we're happy about. They think it's forcing her to be trans, which they hate, cuz trans makes them uncomfortable. While they stare at the almost 10 pages of art of this character, fapping to her as she's depited by most other pieces of art as a cisgender female.

your completely missing the point.... Sure there are people who hate transgender people but thats not what we are talking about.... its people forcing their OWN canon on a character and forcing the community to agree with it... im not a big fan of vore or hyper inflation with twokinds but its ok because people arent forcing their fan-fic into Tom's actual comic... Draw and make whatever you want.... just dont force anyone agree with it or assume its true just because you feel like it

Man you must really, really hate the idea of transgender people or characters that might be trans.

If we wanna talk about forcing characters to be things; let's talk about the tons and tons of "straight coded" characters that people depict on this website in LGBTQ configurations, gay, bi, crossgender (which is technically transgender), etc.

Doth preach too much!

You say "draw it how you want" but when it's posted you come to bitch about it!

lombaxrights said:
Man you must really, really hate the idea of transgender people or characters that might be trans.

If we wanna talk about forcing characters to be things; let's talk about the tons and tons of "straight coded" characters that people depict on this website in LGBTQ configurations, gay, bi, crossgender (which is technically transgender), etc.

Doth preach too much!

You say "draw it how you want" but when it's posted you come to bitch about it!

again... your not reading or understanding anything im saying... im gonna say it again.... I. DONT. HATE. TRANSGENDER. PEOPLE.
also i dont hate transgender characters either... MAKE YOUR OWN CHARACTERS.... i dont care... i dont know how many times i have to say it... stop co-op other peoples characters and forcing yourself to believe it... this is some supreme mental gymnastics
Yes there are lots of straight characters who are drawn with penises or gay or female or whatever but the people who draw them dont claim to own the character and make it canon to the source material... only people like you do that...
AGAIN im bitching because this author is claiming that this character is transgender.
I dont know how many time i have to say this until you understand this... im not sure you ever will, your that much in denial...
Also if its not too hard... stop making shit up about me. you dont know anything about me... your only digging yourself a deeper hole....

I feel we shouldn't label her as one thing or another until a legitimate confirmation about her comes out.

By all means, however, you can make her transgender, you can make her fully female...hell, you can even full on male, I don't give a fuck.

Trans people: "Respecting people's gender and sexual identity is of the utmost importance and to dispute their identity is to attack them as a person."

Also trans people: "I can claim literally any character as being trans with no evidence and if you try and argue otherwise then you're transphobic UwU."

Seriously, there's a fuckton of intersex/trans art of this character that's been well received on this site, the only reason this one's being downvote bombed is because the description is claiming she's CANONICALLY trans based off literally zero evidence. Just enjoy your headcanon.

anon-ee_moss said:
I feel we shouldn't label her as one thing or another until a legitimate confirmation about her comes out.

By all means, however, you can make her transgender, you can make her fully female...hell, you can even full on male, I don't give a fuck.

I feel the same way!... way arent other people freaking out on posts with RAL with a dick.... you know why.... read the description of this post...

Oh no! The trans! They drew a character as trans again! -faints-

lombaxrights said:
Oh no! The trans! They drew a character as trans again! -faints-

Just stop... again your digging yourself a hole... you know thats not the reason... you need to either stop bullshitting and accept that or you need to move on....
Also ive see your comments... all your doing is picking fights with people... For what reason i dont know... all your doing is wasting your time...

-faints even more dramatically- It's...so...gaaaaay....*cough...wheeze*

lombaxrights said:
-faints even more dramatically- It's...so...gaaaaay....*cough...wheeze*

are you done yet....?

-gasps dramatically and chokes- O-Oh the INHUMANITY......-spazzes, dies-

Nah. Never done. Only. Reborn.

lombaxrights said:
-gasps dramatically and chokes- O-Oh the INHUMANITY......-spazzes, dies-

Nah. Never done. Only. Reborn.

https://e621.net/posts/2295916?q=lgbt_pride
wheres all the hate in this post?

I mean nobody has come onto that post yet going, "She's girl. Not trans." yet.

bilboballsack said:
https://e621.net/posts/2295916?q=lgbt_pride
wheres all the hate in this post?

Simply put, it's less idealogy charged.

lombaxrights said:
I love being explained how arguments work because somebody wants to sound more coherent than the other person simply because they disagree.

Who care? Trans Lombax! \o/

Also, I find sarcasm absolutely hilarious. It's the staple of 90's culture and everybody is sarcastic at some point. Don't tone police me because of a bit of humor in my dialect while we "discuss" the complexities of Lombax gender. I probably should have poured us Martinis to go with it. Maybe a cigar or two?

Thank you for proving my point. You're not worth the energy it takes to read your nonesense, let alone the energy it takes to reply. The crux is that I can reasonably confirm that this character is female, but you are insisting to push your agenda in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Textbook delusion.

shamefulaccount12345 said:
Trans people: "Respecting people's gender and sexual identity is of the utmost importance and to dispute their identity is to attack them as a person."

Also trans people: "I can claim literally any character as being trans with no evidence and if you try and argue otherwise then you're transphobic UwU."

Seriously, there's a fuckton of intersex/trans art of this character that's been well received on this site, the only reason this one's being downvote bombed is because the description is claiming she's CANONICALLY trans based off literally zero evidence. Just enjoy your headcanon.

Thank you for summarising the entire conversation that I've had with this "LombaxRights" picketer. Starting to lose my mind, lmao.

Trans girl here, She's a Lombax from another dimension not trans, stop, leave my porn alone plz.

this whole argument is stupid

im just gonna say that making big old "support trans rights" crap and posting it to e621 or some other furry sites is pointless because you're just preaching to the choir and making yourself feel "special" like you're doing something... even though it's the most worthless, unhelpful kind of posts imaginable

its like making big PSAs telling strictly bodybuilders only that fast food and fatty foods are really bad. like no shit of course they already know.

So many people here are so very uncomfortable with trans pride and the idea of a character being presented as trans!

Guess we better delete all of the art of characters being presented as Gay, Lesbian, or anything else too cuz there's tons of art on here that depict characters in ways that are "noncanon" or just "disagreeable".

ikanakaidan said:
Trans girl here, She's a Lombax from another dimension not trans, stop, leave my porn alone plz.

Much respect

People only respect trans people when they get what they want from trans people. Which is silence, or, bootlicking. XD

harblin said:
As a Trans woman, She's not "Canonically" trans. There are theories, with basis saying she might be trans.
But until a statement is made she is trans, it's not in the canon, so stop saying it's canon.
I wouldn't mind her being trans, I'd love it, in fact, but that doesn't mean I claim it as fact, before we know it to be true.

So stop pushing it as fact people! It's this fanaticism that paints us in bad light, how upset you get over people pointing out she may not actually be trans.
Wish for her to be trans, make comments about her being trans, but don't pick fights over it, don't claim it as fact and bring hate to people who disagree, that will solve none of our problems.

And besides, setting your mind about it being canon makes it hurt a lot more if they decide to point out that she's not, in the canon... So for everyone, including ourselves, just stop.
That said, you can still draw her in trans colors and stuff, just the whole canon debate.

Late to the party, but the devs confirmed that the character is female, and the speculations were caused by the fact that the devs retconned the previous lore of female lombaxes not having tails and such.

post #631702

lombaxrights said:
People only respect trans people when they get what they want from trans people. Which is silence, or, bootlicking. XD

did you only make your account just so you comment on these kind pictures and fight with individuals on the internet about the nonsense of what gender/sex/orientation of a character that has said 1 word?

Nah I changed the name of it because people got so offended at her being depicted as trans that I might as well have.

Skelefurs said:
What's saying that she ISN'T trans? Characters aren't cis by default and thinking that way is harmful to the trans community.

Nothing's explicitly SAYING she isn't trans, but what's HEAVILY IMPLYING she isn't trans, is the very solid lack of evidence. A single statement made by a single developer, in a time and place where he could very easily have been joking, does NOT make it 100% confirmed canon that female lombaxes don't have tails. Plus there's the fact-as has already been pointed out-that RAL comes from an entirely different reality that has no established rules, yet, so even if the "females don't have tails" WAS a concrete, 100% confirmed rule, there would be no reason to assume it applies to her. Add in the fact she has hair (which male lombaxes don't), "girly eyelashes" (which, again, male lombaxes don't), a slight outward curve to her chest armor that could be interpreted as (very) tiny titties, and a voice that only somebody grasping at straws could interpret as anything other than feminine...Oh, and let's not forget that the "tweet from the guy who developed the character" never directly answered the question he was asked, just expressed his support of trans rights. True, the eyelashes could be extensions, the voice and (hypothetical) boobies could be the result of hormone therapy, and the hair could be either a wig, or further results of hormone therapy...but that's just wild, mass speculation. It's much more likely she's just a natural-born female.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the possibility of her being trans. If it turns out she is, then hey, that's great! I mean, heck, I follow a Tumblr blog called "Ask Glittershell," which is all about a mtf transgender version of the Friendship is Magic character "Snails," who prefers to go by the blog-title name of "Glittershell;" which I do because I find it adorable and wonderful and wholesome. So, yeah, I have nothing at all against trans or potentially-trans characters. But the simple fact of the matter is, the evidence for Rift Apart Lombax being trans is incredibly sparse, and what evidence DOES exist, is incredibly flimsy.

Skelefurs said:
Admittedly, part of my "canon" talk is due to people saying exactly what you did - that there must be proof that she's trans otherwise she's cis.

[On a couple other posts]Cis is NOT the default.

Statistically, cis-gendered people make up over 98% of any given population, and trans people make up less than 2%. Regardless of anyone's feelings on the matter, the simple fact is that you're far more likely to end up being right if you believe "cis until proven trans" over "trans until proven cis." Well, unless the character in question is written by somebody who already has a history of preferring to write trans characters. But those situations are more the exception, rather than the rule. Again, I have nothing against he thought of her being trans...but the truth is, with "the default" being defined, within context, as "that which is statistically more likely to be the truth," cis IS, in fact, by definition the default.

Ah yes, right. So because the majority of the population is cis; we're just not allowed to draw characters represented as trans and put then with iconography that describes transgender pride because it's just not how the general population would view it.

lombaxrights said:
Ah yes, right. So because the majority of the population is cis; we're just not allowed to draw characters represented as trans and put then with iconography that describes transgender pride because it's just not how the general population would view it.

you seem to be missing all the points entirely. the new war of the furries trans vs facts

lombaxrights said:
Ah yes, right. So because the majority of the population is cis; we're just not allowed to draw characters represented as trans and put then with iconography that describes transgender pride because it's just not how the general population would view it.

That's not what I said at all. I was simply saying that because the evidence of RAL being trans is so thin and flimsy, declaring her "canonically transgender" is just silly.

So, what's the deal with not waiting until the devs *explicitly* confirms anything?

I am not trying to sound like that guy, but this is possibly wrong. ACiT news is tabloid.

wow. I get that part of the dislikes are from the author saying that "it's canon" which we don't know yet, but this shitstorm in the comments and the like/dislike ratio they have shows way more transphobia than I expected the furry community to have.

Also, while she's most likely cis, how exactly does "she's my girl" tweet (or whatever it was) prove whether or not she is trans? Do you expect creators to call their trans characters men or something? I understand saying "we don't know", but this heated pseudo-argumentation is really weird.

Let people have their head-canon ffs

Taking the internet too seriously, in a nutshell.

lombaxrights said:
Nah I never said that but apparently it's a problem enough so you can believe what you want. Obviously nobody can read sarcasm.

Nobody is going to be happy either way. The only solution they want is for transgender folk to be quiet and just not have representation or not be able to voice how happy they are that a character might be trans.

We might as well just, continue letting her be a transgender icon for us. It's going to piss ya'll off regardless.

are you a 4chan psyop account?

phelis said:
wow. I get that part of the dislikes are from the author saying that "it's canon" which we don't know yet, but this shitstorm in the comments and the like/dislike ratio they have shows way more transphobia than I expected the furry community to have.

Also, while she's most likely cis, how exactly does "she's my girl" tweet (or whatever it was) prove whether or not she is trans? Do you expect creators to call their trans characters men or something? I understand saying "we don't know", but this heated pseudo-argumentation is really weird.

Let people have their head-canon ffs

The community is surprisingly problematic sometimes. Furries are people, and people are people. So sadly, you're gonna run into a variety of problems; such as racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

Slapping a x-rights flag behind a video game character doesn't make that character non-straight, makes the person who created it seem obnoxious and only does the opposite for whatever movement you're trying to "fight" for.

If this is supposed to make me support trans rights it isn’t working.

krovi said:
If this is supposed to make me support trans rights it isn’t working.

Should've supported trans rights in the first place then.

blk23 said:
Should've supported trans rights in the first place then.

you can’t force your beliefs on me.

lombaxrights said:
The community is surprisingly problematic sometimes. Furries are people, and people are people. So sadly, you're gonna run into a variety of problems; such as racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

Only because you started picking fights with people claiming they are racist bigots and shit... you dont win hearts and minds or make friends when you throw shit at people... you cant complain and claim "look transphobia!" when people throw shit back... you started this whole mess

this is so silly. how is this one(1) drawing worth all the pearl clutching in these comments. ignore it if it makes u mad, transgender pride colors is a blacklistable tag fyi

i don't get these sorts of comment sections, like if someone made art of, i dunno, pick a character whose sexualiy isn't clarified by the creators, and said they were canonically homosexual, would that comment section turn into a flame war too? i get one or two comments correcting a mistake, but it seems a bit silly that something like this gets 80+ comments in 13 days, arguing about whether or not a character whose sex has not been reveled is trans or not.

let people believe what they want to believe and move on with your life.

Well, this comment thread certainly...escalated...while I was gone...

I'm still thinking of what the best way would be to study and analyze the thought process and mentality of commenters on pics like these on both sides. Down-voters and Up-voters.

From my observation, (and from the tagging) it would appear that most people view gender statements like this as political...despite the fact that individuals have gone out of their way to make it otherwise.

I've created a simple survey to document what the reasons are for everyone's like and dislike of the image, and others like it.

http://www.survey-maker.com/QFAXFL8T With luck, this little experiment will bare fruit, and give us some insight into the mentality of the folks who surround these images!

>hits dat "show all commenterinos" tab

☢NUKEKLEAR ANNIHILATION☢

character with trans flag clothing gets downvoted to oblivion

that's hella e6 moment

svoolves said:
character with trans flag clothing gets downvoted to oblivion

that's hella e6 moment

That's a hella odd take to take.

I think it had more to do with the artist preemptively attributing any negativity or criticism towards their art as "transphobia".

The downvotes were the userbase's answer to said baseless accusations.

N0
fuck u

The lol comments tag lied to me. I'm not lol-ing.
I'm tired after reading all that.

bilboballsack said:
Yes because communism has no flaws correct?

At least he is dead

Could you remove your political agenda from my porn site?
Thanks b0ss

What happened here???
(This isn't a retorical question, I'm actually curious. Is there a backstory? Am I supposed to see something? Am I just blind?)

whisper15 said:
"Lombaxes are also sexually dimorphic: female lombaxes possess breasts, have smaller ears, lack tails, and can grow hair"
She has hair too. Wouldn't that signify female?

Also she's from another dimension. Established lore about sexual characteristica and differences between male and female Lombax in Ratchets dimension might not apply to her because her species evolved differently.

Until it's confirmed we can't say if she's a typical representation of female Lombaxes in her dimension, if she is a unique case due to mutations or if she's in fact trans.

War...... war never changes...