Seriously, I want that coat. It's the best thing about this comic so far.

The neck on that snow fox is just next level. Like where does it end and her body begin because in those middle two panels it has the physics of a worm on a string.

3HC-Hg-CH3 said:
Seriously, I want that coat. It's the best thing about this comic so far.

I want to know who the coat was before the polar bear ended up with it?
I guess furs and leathers will remain the big unknown...

RT_Pilon said:
I want to know who the coat was before the polar bear ended up with it?
I guess furs and leathers will remain the big unknown...

I mean, there is such a thing as synthetic "faux" fur coats, in our world at least.
Artificial leather is also a thing.
Suppose that wouldn't explain the skunk butt rug, though.

I mean, there's also the possibility that it's shaved fur. Cutting and selling hair is a thing here, it'd probably be an even bigger business in Zootopia's world.

3HC-Hg-CH3 said:
Seriously, I want that coat. It's the best thing about this comic so far.

The best thing about this comic is we're already a few pages in and nothing horrible has happened yet.

every comment above

I like Borba's comics all of you are so quick as to say this is already bad when there is only 4 pages

I was wondering why these pages were getting downvoted so much. I'm guessing the artist has a bad reputation.

Jokiu said:
I was wondering why these pages were getting downvoted so much. I'm guessing the artist has a bad reputation.

A very bad one, yes. However if you look at their previous work you'll find that this comic isn't receiving nearly as many downvotes. I Will Survive flirted with triple digit downvotes in places, this is getting a pittance by comparison.

Gecko_Gold said:
I mean, there is such a thing as synthetic "faux" fur coats, in our world at least.
Artificial leather is also a thing.
Suppose that wouldn't explain the skunk butt rug, though.

While certainly the fur and leather can be synthetic, it raises an interesting question given that all mammals in Zootopia are sapient beings.

Why would a world of sapient animals develop the fashion desire to wear fur or leather clothing that, even if synthetic, represents the hair and skin of another sapient species?

It would be like a human wanting to wear a coat made from the hair of another human or the skin of another human.

there was some guy on the last page who said “oh great is borba gonna include religion in this somehow”

he fucking called it

AlexanderMugetsu said:
The best thing about this comic is we're already a few pages in and nothing horrible has happened yet.

I’m getting kinda impatient, I REALLY want to see how bad it can get.
Borbas comics are like watching a train crash, it’s horrible but you just can’t stop looking on.
I’m waiting for this train to crash

rva98014 said:
~ represents the hair and skin of another sapient species?
It would be like a human wanting to wear a coat made from the hair of another human or the skin of another human.

Sort of what I was getting at.
So early Zootopian clothing is going to start at the leaves and bark level before working it's way to fibrous plant matter.
Still not sure how to approach the 'shaggy, wooly' mammals being worked into the equation?
(human hair wigs...?)

RT_Pilon said:
So early Zootopian clothing is going to start at the leaves and bark level before working it's way to fibrous plant matter.

Another thing shown in the movie gets creepy when you start thinking about it is the scene where Nick and Judy use a prehistoric saber-tooth rabbit mannequin as distraction to try and get away.

Thing is. If you study the mannequin... which is a museum piece showing how things were... you can see the rabbit is wearing a leather tunic and the rock spearhead is tied to the spear with a leather cord.

Forget fashion. That means historically in Zootopia, rabbits not only used leather but learned the art of tanning which makes you wonder what animal's skin they used for the leather.

rva98014 said:
Why would a world of sapient animals develop the fashion desire to wear fur or leather clothing that, even if synthetic, represents the hair and skin of another sapient species?

It would be like a human wanting to wear a coat made from the hair of another human or the skin of another human.

So uh... human hair very much WAS a clothing option historically. Generally it was underutilized because we have other animals specifically bred to provide us with clothing, as well as side products from killing things for food. In a world where that's more difficult I imagine human hair would be much more valued.

Human skin has also been used, though seldom for clothing. Executed criminals were often flayed and making boots out of the leather happened more than once. (Ex https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/14910 ) These sort of things tended to happen in regards to slavery or war, so once again if species were killing each other making clothing out of them wouldn't be beyond the pale.

More likely though it'd be more consensual, you can harvest your pets shed fur for knitting material, odd as it sounds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbmx1fVeI9o )and shed fur would be a valuable resource, especially to predatory species whom we can assume wouldn't be farmers of clothing fibers.

This might in fact explain sheep in Zootopia, since Dawn and her breed are NOT what wild sheep look like. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouflon ) If they capitalized and self-selected for wool growth to trade with other species it could result in the sort of domestication seen in the movie.

As for the coats here, I suspect they're artificial, not least because of the garish colors. Fur might not need to be murder, but I suspect a Zootopian mink coat would be plenty expensive and not the kind of thing these ladies would spend their cash on.

3HC-Hg-CH3 said:
So uh... human hair very much WAS a clothing option historically. Generally it was underutilized because we have other animals specifically bred to provide us with clothing, as well as side products from killing things for food. In a world where that's more difficult I imagine human hair would be much more valued.

Human skin has also been used, though seldom for clothing. Executed criminals were often flayed and making boots out of the leather happened more than once. (Ex https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/14910 ) These sort of things tended to happen in regards to slavery or war, so once again if species were killing each other making clothing out of them wouldn't be beyond the pale.

First off, I'm following this series over on Borba's deviant arts page and he's confirmed that the coats of the polar bear and arctic fox are indeed artificial fur and leather.

I realize the variety of human tastes is such that hair and skin would probably have been in fashion somewhere in our history.

I was basically pointing out that the animators of Zootopia put in things that to our human eyes seemed "normal" and was just nice textural eye-candy (like Judy's truck having leather (or faux leather) seat covers, but when you stop to think about, it seems odd that a world of funny animals would develop a desire for such things.

We humans did because as you said "we have other animals specifically bred to provide us with clothing". But in a world where everyone is an animal and it seems a different set of values/tastes would arise. For example, in Zootopia, the phrase "son of a bitch" probably never developed as an derogatory epithet.

The Fandom is wonderful. Bloating art gets ups. Nice art gets down votes. HAHAHAHAHA .Just shows where we are.

Jinksa said:
The Fandom is wonderful. Bloating art gets ups. Nice art gets down votes. HAHAHAHAHA .Just shows where we are.

I can't comment on bloating, because I have "inflation" blacklisted. I also can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you where I am:

I have no respect for Borba and no trust in his ability to grow beyond his trolling. Of course, I could be proven wrong. There is a chance, a small chance, that Borba might improve, and for this, I read the comments on his pages.

But if people feel the same way I do, I'm not surprised when they vote against his comics, even the pages that might seem harmless out of context. Experience has taught us to recognize the smell before the dumpster spills over.

rva98014 said:
For example, in Zootopia, the phrase "son of a bitch" probably never developed as an derogatory epithet.

Maybe. I mean it can be literally true, but on the other hand we humans have had a lot of insults regarding groups of fellow humans we don't like. Bitch arose from dogs being vermin (strays that survived on garbage before they became better known as pets.) Where my grandmother grew up the strong Muslim influence meant that the equivalent insult was 'son of a pig'. Given that canines are predators I can imagine the phrase being just as offensive or possibly an insult aimed mostly at canines.

Jinksa said:
The Fandom is wonderful. Bloating art gets ups. Nice art gets down votes. HAHAHAHAHA .Just shows where we are.

Well yes.Again the difference is their point. Inflation art by and large has no story, it's there for people to gawk at and upvote if they enjoy. If you look at Zootopia's recent uploads you'll see plenty of 'regular' art getting just as many (Indeed more) upvotes. If you look at Borba's 'just art' stuff you'll see they're massively upvoted, even *with* his reputation.

Works that present a story however are treated different. Nobody's done an inflation comic with plot, one that wants to be taken seriously or is being used to troll the fandom. This shows that the Zootopia fan community values good writing and characters over good art. That's a good place to be in.

Well yes.Again the difference is their point. Inflation art by and large has no story, it's there for people to gawk at and upvote if they enjoy. If you look at Zootopia's recent uploads you'll see plenty of 'regular' art getting just as many (Indeed more) upvotes. If you look at Borba's 'just art' stuff you'll see they're massively upvoted, even *with* his reputation.

Works that present a story however are treated different. Nobody's done an inflation comic with plot, one that wants to be taken seriously or is being used to troll the fandom. This shows that the Zootopia fan community values good writing and characters over good art. That's a good place to be in.

Still find it funny that the picture of Nick shitting out of his 200 kilo dick while fucking her and is literally pushing out Judy's eye through the volume of shit he entering in her is at a higher ranking then Borba's stuff. Tells a lot about this community.

Jinksa said:
Tells a lot about this community.

It tells us nothing about this community. It only reveals that certain people enjoy certain things that I, for one, avoid.

You can't apply the preferences of a small number of people to a whole group. I like "Predator City." I can't stand Borba. Does that tell you anything about the community as a whole, or only about my personal taste?

Jinksa said:
Tells a lot about this community.

There's a submission involving Judy transforming into a Simpsons character which is downvoted more than any of this comic's pages. A humanized Judy sex scene has massive upvotes and triple digit faves. A human WITH Judy has triples for both.

What do these things tell us about 'this community'? Diddly squat.

'This community' didn't all vote on these submissions, 'this community' likely didn't even SEE half of them.I imagine if everyone was *forced* to vote on every image we'd indeed see what the community is like, but that's not the case.

This week's popular uploads didn't get that status because the Zootopia fan community likes to see Judy screwing humans or AS a human, they got it largely because it was a sex animation and those rate highly anywhere. You can guess some general trends but when you try to compare on submission to another you'll all flat. Because 'this community' is a broad crowd made of many different people with many different tastes and every work only attracts a small slice of them.

I'm actually surprised Borba has united so many people, Zootopia fans and not. It's rare that an artist can do that and it's sad that in this case it's for all the wrong reasons.

Ruinruined said:
It tells us nothing about this community. It only reveals that certain people enjoy certain things that I, for one, avoid.

You can't apply the preferences of a small number of people to a whole group. I like "Predator City." I can't stand Borba. Does that tell you anything about the community as a whole, or only about my personal taste?

3HC-Hg-CH3 said:
There's a submission involving Judy transforming into a Simpsons character which is downvoted more than any of this comic's pages. A humanized Judy sex scene has massive upvotes and triple digit faves. A human WITH Judy has triples for both.

What do these things tell us about 'this community'? Diddly squat.

'This community' didn't all vote on these submissions, 'this community' likely didn't even SEE half of them.I imagine if everyone was *forced* to vote on every image we'd indeed see what the community is like, but that's not the case.

This week's popular uploads didn't get that status because the Zootopia fan community likes to see Judy screwing humans or AS a human, they got it largely because it was a sex animation and those rate highly anywhere. You can guess some general trends but when you try to compare on submission to another you'll all flat. Because 'this community' is a broad crowd made of many different people with many different tastes and every work only attracts a small slice of them.

I'm actually surprised Borba has united so many people, Zootopia fans and not. It's rare that an artist can do that and it's sad that in this case it's for all the wrong reasons.

Still, kinda find it funny. The crowd here is just adorable. One day they will upvote an character being rapped by 5 other which are 10 times bigger then the said character And conservative story gets treated as if its the taint of e621. I kinda believe that this series of comics deserve better then people attacking it for what happens outside of the comic. The stories is better then most here( and actually different for once.) , the art is better then most of what Marvel pumps out and is the only story to get its life outside of E621.

Jinksa said:
the only story to get its life outside of E621.

...Because it was outrageously loud enough to grab attention. There was no virtue in its being ridiculous, only novelty. :D

Why do you all hate this guy?

Ok, now I got it why you all hate the artist.