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Porn Street: Snowstorms Suck

"Suckin' dick is like the most fun you can have with a dick." ~ Blinkie Hoggs (Three Little Victims!!!, Impractical Pig, Concubine Swine 8: The Porkening, Hook, Road Head Hog)

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What a convenient fucking time for the Tundratown Weather Control Bureau to go on strike: right in the middle of the worst winter storm in Zootopia's recorded history.

We've been snowed in going on four days straight here. More than two-thirds of the city's without power, and it's only through dumb luck that Pack is close enough to Flock to be on their grid otherwise we'd probably be in the dark too. Zootopia hasn't seen panic on this scale since Bellwether's reign of terror. And worst of all, it's been eight hours since my last hit -- which is seven hours and fifty-nine minutes too long. "Climbing the walls" is an understatement -- I'm going through straight-up withdrawal. I've tried everything I can think of to take my mind off of it, but if I don't get my fix right fucking now, I'm going to kill someone. Probably Marty.

Definitely Remmy.

Fortunately, it seems I won't have to wait too much longer -- the faint, familiar sound of my door locks being picked is enough to fill me with an overwhelming sense of comfort.

"Thank god," I mumble to myself, plucking yet another destroyed ink pen from my muzzle and tossing it in the trash. I hastily rise from my desk chair and sprint for the front door just as it swings wide open. "Took you long enough. I was starting to get worried."

"I'm a professional," Charlie replies, shaking some water loose from her fur. Behind her is what appears to be an oversized ice chest with a makeshift rope handle. "A few feet of snow posed little challenge."

"A 'few feet'? Charlie, it's piled so fucking high out there that a giraffe wouldn't be able to see over it. How the fuck were you even able to get out of the building, let alone get to a store?!"

"...not every giraffe," she replies with a cryptic nod -- as if that somehow answers my question. Lifting the lid of her ice chest, she pulls out a hefty paper grocery bag. Peering inside the cooler, I see a stack of foam containers with the Bug Burga logo emblazoned on them along with a few cartons of smokes and some other, less-easily identified contraband. Clearly I'm not her only "customer" tonight.

"Well either way, you're a fucking lifesaver. What do I owe you?" I ask, my mouth already watering as she sets the bag down on the floor, pushing it toward me with one foot.

"You don't owe me anything," she replies with a curt wave.

"I don't ride for free, Charlie. Just tell me how much they were and I'll gladly pay it." Charlie's not half the swindler she thinks she is if she can't tell how desperate I am. I'm so excited I'm actively trying to avoid dancing, but I've got an image to maintain here. "If you won't take my money at the very least let me give you my employee discount at Pandora's when it opens back up."

"Unless yours stacks with my own, I'm afraid that wouldn't be particularly beneficial," Charlie deadpans as I stoop to pick up the bag. "Nevertheless, the offer is appreciated. If you want to be of help, consider making a donation to your local library. After all, Marty was instrumental in obtaining these."

I pause, my paws inches away from the grocery sack.

"Marty," I repeat flatly.

"Certainly. He was the only one of us who could fit through the convenience store's air vent," Charlie replies as she trundles off down the hallway with her payload, where Cormo's already outside, dancing in place like a kid needing to take a leak.

...fuck.

Narrowing my eyes, I finish collecting the heavy bag and step inside my apartment. Setting it down on my counter, I carefully open the sack, cringing in anticipation of what I'm going to find inside. The pungent smell alone is enough to nearly knock me over. I upend the plastic-wrapped mass of purple onto the counter, glaring at it in disgust.

Of all the fucking flavors to get me, and he goes with the one that tastes the most like fucking cough syrup. Who the FUCK even sells a six-pound bag of grape lollipops, anyway?! A little fucking variety would have been nice. Still, any port in a storm -- or in this case, a snowstorm. I can always get more in a few days when the roads are cleared. Ripping the bag open, I tear the wrapper from one of the lollipops and poke it in my maw, savoring the huargh blech kaff nope no no uh-uh no good oh god oh god i'm gonna be sick i'm REALLY GONNA BE SICK

Projectile spitting the offending candy out onto my floor, I dash over to my sink and run my muzzle under the tap, coughing and sputtering. My mouth tastes like I've just fellated a gas pump. Once I've finally managed to drown the noxious taste, I turn my head to look at the bag of lollipops.

SWEET-N'-TASTEE LOLLIPOPS
Goodness Gracious Grape Flavor
"A delicious sugar-free treat!"

Sugar-free.

Marty, you DUMBASS. What have I EVER done or said that would lead you to believe I take my candy sugar-free?!

Flipping the bag over on its side with a wooden spoon, I grimace as I skim the list of ingredients. Isomalt, citric acid, artificial flavors, a myriad of unhealthy-looking dyes, a few other ingredients I'm struggling to read let alone pronounce -- and aspartame. I groan aloud as my suspicions are confirmed.

On top of being the one flavor I can't stand, Marty got me six fucking pounds of lollipops made with the only thing in the world I'm allergic to.

Sweeping the inedible pile of sweets into my trash bin, I collapse against the counter in frustration, paws clasped to my head. I know to the average person it looks pathetic for a grown woman to be addicted to candy.

There's worse things in this world.

Still, if I don't have something sweet in my mouth soon, I'm not going to get a fucking lick of sleep. And if I don't sleep, I'm not going to be able to get any work done at my side job tonight -- and until Pandora's out of therapy, I can't afford to miss a single night. I'm not about to ask Charlie to go back out there in that fuckmess again, especially after she literally risked her well-being to do me a favor completely pro bono.

Then again, there is THAT... and as much as my ego says "don't do it", I see no other option. Straightening myself up, I smooth a few wrinkles out of my dress before heading for my door.

The majority of the Pack's code is unwritten, but it's well-known by everyone who lives here. (Well, almost everyone -- a certain stubborn, recent arrival notwithstanding.)

Most newcomers and outsiders focus only on the negative, but one of the benefits of membership is the "needs" system. It's simple in both theory and practice -- make your need known, and hopefully someone else will meet it for you. No strings attached, no expectation of recompense. Sure, there are stipulations -- for one, "needs" are reasonable, realistic expectations. Not frivolities. You don't ask for a brand new sports car -- but if you need groceries, diapers, or money to pay your water bill, the Pack will find a way, even if the Alpha himself has to pull his wallet to cover it.

Part of why the system works is that humility and submission goes a long way in Pack hierarchy, which is also part of why our cotton ball man-child catches so much guff from everyone -- he's got his head so far up his own ass he could wear himself as a woolly hat. Contrary to public opinion, the Pack isn't some kind of serfdom, where the Alpha's our king and we all pay him tribute. If anything, the Alpha's less of a king and more of a leader -- the captain of the ship looking out for the safety of his crew, rather than the ruler driving his slaves to produce more bricks with less straw. Even so, a leader needs to know he can rely on his followers' willingness to be led in the first place.

If anything, one could argue that the "needs" system is some kind of secret test of character.

While I'll gladly chip in to help whenever I can, I've done everything in my power to avoid relying on the Pack myself, and I'll be the first to admit it's purely out of pride. Despite what you may have heard about me, however, I don't consider the less fortunate to be acceptable targets for ridicule. Pride and arrogance are two different things entirely.

That said, I do make it a point to be self-sufficient. I have my own apartment and a steady, above-board income. I'm hardly wealthy, but I can afford small luxuries like eating out and new clothes. I stand on my own two feet with my head held high, and nobody helped me get to where I am. I didn't receive an inheritance, a handout, or a government check. I scrapped and fought every step of the way to get here by myself.

So I want you to understand what it means to me as a person when I say that I'm willing to throw all of that carefully-cultivated self-image away for a bag of lollipops.

Progress, Avo. Baby steps.

Looking up at the door I've arrived at, I take a deep breath, will myself to calm down, and clasp my paws in front of myself. I'm trying not to look as high-strung as I'm feeling. Glancing at my reflection in the name plate, I settle into what I hope looks like a natural smile before knocking. Kind of wish my tail wasn't frizzing out -- I always get the weirdest looks when it does.

A couple of minutes pass before the door clicks open and a muzzle as white as the driven snow outside pokes its way out of the gap. The second its owner catches sight (or scent) of me, the door closes, unlatches, and re-opens all the way.

"You look like hell," Al says by way of greeting. Aaaand I'm off to a flying start.

"Good to see you too," I deadpan. It's about as congenial as I'm feeling right now.

The first thing I notice is that Al's wearing nothing but a pair of flannel pants. With his shirt off, I'm starting to get a good look and realize that a few of my conceptions about him were wrong. Not going to lie -- I know he's strong, but I always kind of figured him for having a little bit of a beer gut. Now, however, I'm realizing that I was sorely mistaken. His isn't the body of a couch potato -- it's the physique of someone who arm-wrestles bears on mountaintops for shits and giggles.

"What're you doin' here, Avo?"

"Boy, this is embarrassing." I admit, I'm trying not to stare. Or sniff. His musk is REALLY strong tonight. "I, uh, ran out."

"Ran out," he echoes, running a paw through his headfur, flinging a few drops of what I'm assuming is water. Did he just get out of the shower? No, but -- the smell... "Okay. Ran outta what? I've got plenty of food and toiletries, just tell me what you need."

"I, uh..." Fuck, I'm so lost in those abs that I've forgotten the name of the thing I'm addicted to. "Uuhhh. Small, tastes good, fits in your mouth, you suck on it, um..."

He raises an eyebrow at me, and I realize that -- oh my god, I just pulled a straight fuckin' Cormo. Excuse me while I just slink back to my apartment and find a ceremonial dagger to run myself through with. Won't be but a moment, tops.

"LOLLIPOPS. I'm out of lollipops," I finally blurt, covering my eyes with a paw. Lord, take me now. "Boy, good thing I remembered the name, otherwise I'd look like a complete fucking idiot right now! That could've been REALLY embarrassing for me, ha ha!"

Al lets out a low chuckle, motioning for me to follow him inside.

"Don't worry about it. I had a feeling something like this would happen," he says as we step into his apartment. I notice his kitchen floor's lined with foam coolers and grocery bags. "I picked up some extra essentials when I heard the freeze was coming through. Milk, bread, cold cuts... bottled water, TP, some canned soup... oh, and these."

Rummaging around in one of the sacks, he pulls out a large bag of "kiddie mix" candy -- like the kind you'd buy and fill a bowl with for trick-or-treaters. To my unending relief, there are lollipops in there.

"Oh my god, these -- wait, these aren't sugar-free, are they?" I ask as he hands it to me. I anxiously fish around inside and pull out a juicy-looking cherry sucker. "I'm allergic to aspartame."

"You are? That's good to know, actually," he replies, reaching for a notepad by his phone and jotting something down. "But no, you should be fine. I got ones WITH sugar just in case Phil started to slip into insulin shock."

"Phil? Who the fuck's Phil?" I ask, shredding the wrapper and jamming the candy into my mouth. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that this is the placebo effect speaking, but I can already feel the tension lifting as I work my tongue along the ridges of the lollipop. This is, by far, the happiest I've been all day.

"Wolf that lives next door to the twins," he replies, folding his arms and leaning against the counter.

"Oh, THAT asshole," I reply. "He's not part of the Pack, though...?"

"I don't care," Al grunts. I give him a nod, dropping the issue. If that's his word on the matter then it's good enough for me.

Al watches with interest as I recline against his counter, sifting through the bag and separating out the lollipops from the rest of the bubble gum and chocolate. Once I'm satisfied I have enough to hold me off for a few more days (even if I have to ration them out), I reach into my wallet and pull out a Hopson -- more than enough to cover even ten bags this size -- and press it flat against the table.

"I don't want your money, Avo," he says, looking down at the cash. "Everyone has needs. You know how this works."

"It's not me paying you," I reply, tearing a paper towel off his holder and wrapping the candy up in a neat little bundle. "Look at it as I'm paying into the system in advance -- to help out the next mammal who comes to you with a 'need'."

"...fair enough, then."

A sort of awkward silence hangs in the air between us. I'm not really sure of what to say, and he's not really volunteering anything either. I reach down and smooth my frizzy tail out while he just sort of stands across from me. He looks kind of like he's... fidgeting? Uncomfortable?

Al, nervous? THERE's a thought.

"So, uh... how's Velvet?" I ask, grasping for literally anything to talk about so that my visit isn't just begging for candy and then bolting off into the night. "I imagine you've gotta be worried about her in all of this, right?"

"Actually, she's overseas for a month." He rubs his temples, exhaling heavily. "Some kind of training thing for work to do with pred-prey relations -- not exactly sure. New mayor insisted on it."

"It's probably good that she's not here, then."

"...I guess."

"When did she leave?" I inquire, turning the stick over in my mouth.

"'Bout a week ago."

All of a sudden, it clicks in my head -- no WONDER his musk is so fucking strong. Now that I've got a moment of clarity and my wits about me again, I look him over anew in the dim light of the TV screen. His flannels are unbuttoned, and that wasn't water in his fur -- I can tell by the smell now that it's sweat. His eyes are red, with thick bags hanging underneath them.

"Oh," I murmur, crunching the last little sliver of lollipop up before tossing the stick in the trash. "Oh yes, I see."

"See what?" he grunts, but it doesn't quite sound like him.

"I'm not the only one with an insatiable craving."

"Avo, no offense, but I'm too tired for your cryptic shit. If there's nothing else--"

"What was it you were saying just a few minutes ago? 'Everyone has needs'?" I ask, pointing below his waistband. "You're wound up tighter than a drum, aren't you."

"What? No! That's not the same thing at all," he growls. "And if you're implying that I'd ever even CONSIDER stepping out on V--"

"Not at all, not at all," I reply smoothly. "Never. Perish the thought. But, um -- surely she can't expect you to go a whole month without needing to, you know. Vent a little pressure...?"

I can see a bit of blush underneath his fur. His bloodshot eyes begin to bulge as his paws knot into fists. Still, even though he's trying to look angry, I know Al better than he thinks -- I've seen enough of his dominance displays with Betty to have an idea of when he's really pissed off and when he's just trying to get you to leave him alone. I've found the weak point in his armor.

And hey, if I'm being honest, I wouldn't mind a little action myself.

"Avo, you need to leave. Right now," he orders, gesturing to the door.

"Look, I work in a sex shop. I've seen this sort of thing thousands of times before," I argue, dropping the facade. "There's no shame in admitting it."

"I mean it, Avo! You got your candy, now get the fuck out -- I'm not going to have any deviant crap in my apartment!"

"Hey, let's not be hasty," I reply placatingly, holding up both paws. I pull my cell from my skirt pocket and thumb through my contacts. "Tell you what -- why don't we ask Velvet herself?"

"You wouldn't," he says, the color draining from his face as I dial Velvet's number.

"Velvet Roe," she replies pleasantly, picking up after a mere two rings.

"Oh fuck me," Al breathes, covering his muzzle with a fist.

"That's the idea," I whisper back before raising my voice. "Ms. Roe, it's Avo! I'm awful sorry to bother you while you're out of town."

"Oh, you're no bother at all! How are you?" Velvet chirps. "I heard about the snowstorm -- sounds horrible!"

"It is, sure, but I'm hanging in there. I trust you're having a pleasant trip?"

"I am, thank you!" she says. "What can I do for you, Avo?"

"Actually, I'm calling about Al," I reply as he stares at me in a mixture of horror, anger, and panic. I set my cell to speakerphone, laying it on the counter with a smile. "I'm at his apartment right now, and he seems a bit -- I don't know, pent-up?"

"Pent-up," Velvet echoes before sighing audibly. Al's got both of his paws pressed to his head, pupils the size of pin dots right now. "...oh, that stubborn...! I knew it -- I told him to take off work and come with me, but he wouldn't hear of it. I was all set to pull some strings with the city and get him a vacation and everything!"

"Perfectly understandable," I reply. "I swung by his apartment to borrow a few essentials because of the storm -- and he just seems kind of addled. Out of sorts, really. Bit red in the face?"

"Ohh, I've seen that look a thousand times," she says. Yeah, me too, Velvet. The clinical term is 'being horny as fuck'. "He gets that way sometimes. Avo, I'm sorry to impose on you, but -- would you PLEASE see to his needs for me while I'm away?"

Al's pupils are the size of pinpricks right now.

"I have no problem helping out," I answer. "Are you sure you don't mind, Velvet?"

"Not at all -- that's why I'm asking you! My Al's a good man," she insists immediately. "He's shy and old-fashioned. He'll give you a hard time about it, but you're going to need to be strong and stand your ground. It's for his own good."

"Absolutely."

"So many people lean on him there, you know?" she continues. I grin as Al looks like he's visibly trying to retract into his chest -- looks like I'm not the only one inadvertently relying on the Remmy Cormo playbook tonight. "If he's stressed, that'll reflect poorly in his duties as the Alpha."

"Yes ma'am," I reply. "Well, I don't mind then -- as long as you're okay with it. I'd never willingly go behind another woman's back -- that's not my style."

"You bitch," Al mouths, clearly embarrassed.

"It's the truth," I whisper back with a shrug.

"Absolutely, and I appreciate the fact that you spoke up and said something," Velvet says. "Knowing Al he'd sit over there and stew on it for days."

"Sure," I echo.

"I'm going to drop pretenses with you for just a moment," she whispers, her voice dropping to just barely audible over the speaker. Al and I both lean in, looking at the phone. "Milk every drop out of him."

"Come again?" I ask, eyes going wide.

"I know it might be a lot to ask, but please -- if you're willing, use your tongue to pleasure him. My big boy LOVES oral sex."

"Ms. Roe, that's -- oh, that's so DARING," I girlishly titter before muting my phone and bursting out laughing. "Oh my GOD!! You have the cutest fucking girlfriend!! She knows I work in a porn store, right?!"

"I am going to drop-kick you out the fucking window," Al groans, burying his face in his paws as my cackling ascends to Ozzy-tier laughter.

"Oops. I'm afraid I'm going to have to run -- our next seminar starts in twenty minutes and I still have to stop at the cafe for lunch," Velvet says. "I'm relying on you to do a good job, Avo -- thank you so much for being honest and bringing it to my attention."

"Not a problem, Ms. Roe. Safe travels," I manage, tears streaming from my eyes as I hang up. I'm never going to let this one go.

He knows it, too. Defeated, Al stumbles over to his couch, staring blankly ahead at the weather report on the TV like a broken man. With a smile on my face and a spring in my step, I trot over and reach for the TV set's knob to click it off before grabbing a pillow off the couch and laying it at his feet.

"Right then, 'big boy'," I grin, stripping my dress off and kneeling onto the pillow. "You heard the lady. How about I 'use my tongue to pleasure you'?"

"...you're horrible, Avo," he mumbles as I tug his waistband low.

"Well," I smirk, "we'll see if you change your tune in a few minutes."

He grumbles something inaudible, and with a final tug I bare the Alpha at last.

"Holy shit, Al. Good length, EXCELLENT girth... lovely vein pattern, too. No wonder you're the Alpha," I fawn, marveling at the piston between his thighs. Cupping it in my paws, I gently pat his 'head' before giving it a kiss. "Telling you now -- Pandora would pay a king's ransom for a mold of your dick."

"Ain't happening," Al huffs, clenching the armrest and cushion tight as I begin teasingly licking at his tip. "This is just a one-time thing."

"Shame. If you change your mind, let me know," I respond. "Now -- let's see if you last longer than that lollipop did."

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  • This was really well done. And it's pretty cool thatWeaver seems to be taking ideas from all his non-canon art for this.
    He also seems to be starting a trend of occasionally referencing pieces of fan-works (which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.) Such as the whole dick-mold thing from Boney_M and Remmy getting fired from EyeOfTheTempest.
    Those could be coincidental, though.

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  • Arkeus_of_the_Damned said:
    This was really well done. And it's pretty cool thatWeaver seems to be taking ideas from all his non-canon art for this.
    He also seems to be starting a trend of occasionally referencing pieces of fan-works (which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.) Such as the whole dick-mold thing from Boney_M and Remmy getting fired from EyeOfTheTempest.
    Those could be coincidental, though.

    Also, the exact scene with Betty nursing Remmy in bed was in this before it was in the fic:

    post #991716

    Oh, and I've sad it before, this should be Avo's theme.

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  • "Hey your boyfriend seems really horny"

    "Oh, could you give him a blowjob for me?"

    - said no woman ever

    Seriously, I was expecting a troll of some kind to happen at any moment. I know this stuff's non-canon, but this is straight up wacky fanfiction territory.

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  • Zzzmithy said:
    No, you think?

    The last one was at least somewhere in the realm of believable. This had a non sequitur "oh hey, can a bum some candy off you-nowI'mblowingyoukthxbai" out of nowhere.

    To loosely quote some anon from 4chan "weaver just weaver'd his own OCs"

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  • SuperScum said:
    The last one was at least somewhere in the realm of believable. This had a non sequitur "oh hey, can a bum some candy off you-nowI'mblowingyoukthxbai" out of nowhere.

    To loosely quote some anon from 4chan "weaver just weaver'd his own OCs"

    Then again, this COULD just be in Avo's imagination.

    Hopefully so, since she apparently sees the Pack as kind of a mafia.

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  • Occam said:
    Then again, this COULD just be in Avo's imagination.

    Hopefully so, since she apparently sees the Pack as kind of a mafia.

    Not really. That was what Remmy was thinking.

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  • Renainon said:
    Not really. That was what Remmy was thinking.

    No, bear with me here. Here's what I said about it elsewhere:

    They're an oppressed minority group in a city of immigrants, and they've got an informal code to protect each other. If one of the members has some kind of need--be it necessities, small amounts of money, help--everyone else is expected to pitch in to help, and the Alpha will do whatever he can to get it if need be. In return, people pay tribute to him not as a demand, but as a gesture of respect, and if you're going to get anywhere, you have to be willing to be humble before him. ...Sound familiar?

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  • I have weird priorities.
    All I could think off efter reading it, is why the hell Al's TV has knobs? Is it some antique junk? I haven't seen TV with the knobs at all in my life, and I was born in 80's.

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  • Occam said:
    No, bear with me here. Here's what I said about it elsewhere:

    They're an oppressed minority group in a city of immigrants, and they've got an informal code to protect each other. If one of the members has some kind of need--be it necessities, small amounts of money, help--everyone else is expected to pitch in to help, and the Alpha will do whatever he can to get it if need be. In return, people pay tribute to him not as a demand, but as a gesture of respect, and if you're going to get anywhere, you have to be willing to be humble before him. ...Sound familiar?

    I know what you mean but,

    They are not opressed, the tension goes both ways if you did not notice in the movie. Predators are minority in number (every species would be minority compared to rats, rabbits etc.) but they still keep prestigeous jobs and positions of power.

    Betty specifically dismissed the whole mafia deal. They are just family of friends organized in spirit of ancient "tradition" Al is firts among equals in a way. The whole tribute adn submission deal is for him to have easier time organizing them.

    Yes I see those similarities but what I meant with that original comment was that Remmy was the one thinking this was like mafia. Avo does not see the pack like a mafia, she just described how the pack work, it is the same as did Betty, the similarity is unintentional (on her part, it is possible Weaver took some inspiration from mafia while implementing the pack system).

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  • Renainon said:
    I know what you mean but,

    They are not opressed, the tension goes both ways if you did not notice in the movie. Predators are minority in number (every species would be minority compared to rats, rabbits etc.) but they still keep prestigeous jobs and positions of power.

    Betty specifically dismissed the whole mafia deal. They are just family of friends organized in spirit of ancient "tradition" Al is firts among equals in a way. The whole tribute adn submission deal is for him to have easier time organizing them.

    Yes I see those similarities but what I meant with that original comment was that Remmy was the one thinking this was like mafia. Avo does not see the pack like a mafia, she just described how the pack work, it is the same as did Betty, the similarity is unintentional (on her part, it is possible Weaver took some inspiration from mafia while implementing the pack system).

    Uh. "What are you doing slinking around here during daylight hours? Aren't there any FOX ice cream parlor you can go to?" ...It may not be the shock collar setting, but it's a bit much to claim there's no oppression, wouldn't you say? Sounds like "Some of my best friends are preds" kind of thing, it's clearly more of a glass barrier type of tension.

    I think Betty's fooling herself there. I mean they (mostly) avoid crimes, but when they harass anyone who moves in and doesn't want to be part of it and be left alone it becomes more than a friendly group. I mean, I like all the characters but they're​kind of forming their own government in here. They mean well, probably, but Remmy has a good reason to be suspicious.

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  • Renainon said:
    They are not opressed

    This is a bad reading of both Pack Street and Zootopia itself. There is definitely prejudice and even if there are no laws on the books explicitly saying "predators are less than prey" it's pretty clear the bias and its effects are there, and that was one of the big points of the movie. It would be even more so during the Savage Mammal Crisis, and even more than that in a fringe neighborhood like Pack Street, where circumstances would be further exaggerated. And on top of all of that, Weaver as the author is clearly emphasizing it even more, to create the obvious atmosphere of the stories.
    After the Savage Mammal Crisis became public knowledge the whole city turned on predators overnight, and that doesn't just happen if there's not some latent hostility and prejudice already inside people, waiting just under the surface.

    This may not be slaveholding colonial America or Apartheid-era South Africa, but to say there's no oppression here is badly missing the point.

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  • I got SO EXCITED when I seen this then I realized it was Porn Street... Not saying this is bad, I like it, but DAMN IT I want the next chapter of Pack Street already!

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  • Occam said:
    Uh. "What are you doing slinking around here during daylight hours? Aren't there any FOX ice cream parlor you can go to?" ...It may not be the shock collar setting, but it's a bit much to claim there's no oppression, wouldn't you say? Sounds like "Some of my best friends are preds" kind of thing, it's clearly more of a glass barrier type of tension.

    I think Betty's fooling herself there. I mean they (mostly) avoid crimes, but when they harass anyone who moves in and doesn't want to be part of it and be left alone it becomes more than a friendly group. I mean, I like all the characters but they're​kind of forming their own government in here. They mean well, probably, but Remmy has a good reason to be suspicious.

    Yes there is racism (or specieism) in Zootopia but as I said it goes both ways. In the movie we saw preds treating prey badly, Lionheart treating Bellweathe badly, Judy being bullied by Gideon (who even relied on his superiority as predator to scare her and her friends) and she was scammed out of her money by Nick.

    On the other side of the same coin Nick got screwed over by prey fearing him. And public opinion was quickly turned against predators.

    The elephant was specieistic (and in the end he was right, it was a scam) but I would say it had to do more with Nick being a fox rather than him being a pred.
    Bogo was also prejudiced against Nick, but is still buddies with all the preds on the force, there is even a photo of him holding with some tiger by shoulders.

    Yes there is prejudice against predators but not opression, they are not forced to sit on the back of the bus, banned from certain public areas, allowed to shop only a certain hours and refused from certain types of education.

    If there was such a bad opression why is majority of ZPD made out of predators? Police is position of power is it not? Why is mayor a predator? Why are predators represented in major media?

    And putting that aside your perception of Pack being a mirror version of mafia is just wrong, or please remind me what mafia leaders were doing manual labour for construction company, or how mafia leadership was put together from locksmith, librarian and an emloyee in smut shop.

    The pack was described by several characters (Betty,Al,Avo,Wolter...) as just family of friends who take care of each other when need be. Or are all of thee people just getting it wrong? Do you know it better than they do? Is Betty a consigliere without even knowing?

    I agree with you that they handled Remmy as an incomer a little bit bad and they could have been more civil with him. But they are not some undeground government. Al's Pack is just all those people who live in the building, not even all of them.

    Zzzmithy said:
    This is a bad reading of both Pack Street and Zootopia itself. There is definitely prejudice and even if there are no laws on the books explicitly saying "predators are less than prey" it's pretty clear the bias and its effects are there, and that was one of the big points of the movie. It would be even more so during the Savage Mammal Crisis, and even more than that in a fringe neighborhood like Pack Street, where circumstances would be further exaggerated. And on top of all of that, Weaver as the author is clearly emphasizing it even more, to create the obvious atmosphere of the stories.
    After the Savage Mammal Crisis became public knowledge the whole city turned on predators overnight, and that doesn't just happen if there's not some latent hostility and prejudice already inside people, waiting just under the surface.

    This may not be slaveholding colonial America or Apartheid-era South Africa, but to say there's no oppression here is badly missing the point.

    Yes, I agree, as I stated above I do not deny there is a prejudice and racism/specieism but not opression.

    The city turned on predators easily, but is would be the same way if prey were the ones "having" a biological disease thay can do nothing about, that would made them danger to everyone, includin other prey.

    The both groupd dislike each other while dealing with the same problems.

    There was a nice irony when Marty was yelling "Nice neighborhoods, great families, educations and pedigrees." at someone who lives in the same "slums" they do, has problems with family, and is a school drop-out. Why does not Remmy use his prey priviladge?

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  • Oh okay, I see now I was wrong, you didn't misinterpret the stories. You just have a view of oppression and prejudice that I disagree with on a fundamental level. My bad.

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  • Zzzmithy said:
    Oh okay, I see now I was wrong, you didn't misinterpret the stories. You just have a view of oppression and prejudice that I disagree with on a fundamental level. My bad.

    What do you disagree with?

    I am sure we both condemn the same acts, the difference is what each of us defines as opression, or our opinion on what groups are opressed and how.

    I consider opression a systemic or national harassment of certain group or individual due to racial or political reasons.

    Gay that gets called a faggot by some assholole in country where he has all the civil rights as everyone else and is not persecuted for his sexuality is not opressed.

    Gay being killed, imprisoned or forced to hormonal therapy for his sexuality, that is an opression.
    Women not having the right to vote or do things without husband/father's permission, that is an opression.
    Extremely harsh laws and dictatorships are opression.
    Someone being persecuted and separated for religion or race by the state, or being daily terrorized by radical groups without the state doing anything about it is an opression.

    Being refused service in a private icecream shop by some racist, is not an opression, yes it is a bad prejudice and should not be allowed but I would not use such a strong word we use to describe all above for it.

    I absolutely hate Zistopia and the protozoot concept but that was an actual opression, yes it was stupid and badly developed but it was an actual opression, and all the preds were actually opressed in all ways and forms.

    I still stand on that Zootopia was not about opression but about a racial tension, prejudice and racism that went both ways and split the comunity in two. Predators and Prey dislike each other but are equal under law. If predators were opressed a Lion would not become a mayor, predators would have no representation in media or armed forces of police and some refusal of service would not be even discutable.
    Foxes were indeed the ones being hit the hardest by this, but looking at all we know they were considered to be the worst by the prey, even by those who would have nothing against say a tiger or a wolf.

    I agree that the city full of prejudice and prey turned on predators very fast, but I bet it would be the same way if prey were the ones turning dangerous. The scales turned on predators.

    And yes, the prejudice against predators was getting worst by the day, but in both the movie and Pack Street it was stopped before it got so bad that martial law would be implemented or something similar happened.

    In the movie the only thing we saw were the protests.
    In the end of Pack Street we saw Remmy get fired for his association, news being filled with protests and bias, and some racist prey running their mouths after Pandora got show with the serum.

    Outside of the racial tension the lives on Pack Street (except Dora) were not that much changed, just look at how they spend 90% of chapters doing stuff that without it being mentioned you would not even guess it happens during social crisis.

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