fidget (dust: an elysian tail) created by aogami
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  • For that first pic: No, she doesn't. She looks basically the same size, compared to him, as she did in the pic I linked. It may SEEM she's comparatively smaller, due to a perspective thing or angle, or something...but in both images, if you measure the two of them, you find she's roughly half his size.

    As for the second pic...well, if you bother measuring Dust and his sword against each other in any pic that has them both fully visible, you find the sword's only slightly shorter than he is. And the hilt section, the part Fidget's wrapped around? It's about half his height, too...So the pic isn't so much depicting Fidget as being short, as it is showing the sword is huge, and the artists did a good job keeping things' sizes consistent. :P

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  • Hmmm..... I don't think that's true. For one thing, they are sprites and the game has no Z-Plane, there is no scaling or perspective trickery that can happen between screenshots like that first one and she's quite a bit smaller than half his height.

    And yes, his sword is huge, but the handle is not, which you can see in that very first pic is about the length of his foot, and his foot is certainly not half his height.

    I also recall in the scene with the doll Fidget was holding a piece of paper, and it was pretty much as big as her.

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  • TendoTwo said:
    Hmmm..... I don't think that's true. For one thing, they are sprites and the game has no Z-Plane, there is no scaling or perspective trickery that can happen between screenshots like that first one and she's quite a bit smaller than half his height.

    No, she isn't. Did you even bother to measure the two of them? 'cause I did. She measured in at about two centimeters tall, on-screen. Counting in the fact that his hat goes a bit higher than where the top of his head would be, he's about four and a half centimeters on-screen. She's only a LITTLE shorter than half his height.

    TendoTwo said:
    And yes, his sword is huge, but the handle is not, which you can see in that very first pic is about the length of his foot, and his foot is certainly not half his height.

    Again, actually measure it: I DID, and the handle of his sword is also about two centimeters.

    TendoTwo said:
    I also recall in the scene with the doll Fidget was holding a piece of paper, and it was pretty much as big as her.

    That doesn't mean a damn thing: There was no context given to show how big the piece of paper was. Sure, a NORMAL piece of paper, in the modern-day real world, is fairly small...but even in our world, back when swords were the primary weapon of the time, there was no standard size for pieces of paper, so individual pieces could vary greatly in size from one another. So the piece of paper being the same size as Fidget in that scene could just mean it was a BIG piece of paper!

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  • Judging by where his ears are, the hat pretty much is just about level with the top of his head, otherwise if the hat was taller that would mean his head is flat.

    You're also ignoring the fact that fidget's rather large feet are dangling down when she's flying, it's the equivalent of measure someone's height when they are standing on their toes.

    And I did measure them, rather than break out a ruler I simply copied and pasted the sword handle right next to Dust, the handle basically goes from the top of his head to his shoulders, pretty much just enough to be comfortable to hold with two hands, as how two-handed swords were pretty much made back then.

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  • TendoTwo said:
    Judging by where his ears are, the hat pretty much is just about level with the top of his head, otherwise if the hat was taller that would mean his head is flat.

    Even if his ears connected with his head exactly at the spot where they disappear under his hat, they're both still a bit below the top of the hat-what would be a good couple inches if he were in real life. But the thing is, with the angles they're both sitting at, there's no way they connect to his head in those exact spots. Add to that the fact that, in the cutscene where he takes his hat off, his ears are LONG, basically bunny ears, and we know that's actually another couple inches, still. That's almost half a foot of extra height!

    TendoTwo said:
    You're also ignoring the fact that fidget's rather large feet are dangling down when she's flying, it's the equivalent of measure someone's height when they are standing on their toes.

    Now you're just assuming things. As it so happens, I did NOT ignore the fact her feet are dangling. Nor did I ignore the fact her ears are a bit on the lengthy side, thus adding the illusion of extra height: I measured from the top of her head, down to her heels, as that's about where her feet would be if she were holding them upward. And, as I said in my last post, that measurement was roughly two centimeters.

    TendoTwo said:
    And I did measure them, rather than break out a ruler I simply copied and pasted the sword handle right next to Dust, the handle basically goes from the top of his head to his shoulders, pretty much just enough to be comfortable to hold with two hands, as how two-handed swords were pretty much made back then.

    You must've screwed something up while you were moving things around, then, because no matter how you measure it-be it busting out a ruler and taking actual measurements, putting marks on a piece of paper and comparing them, whatever-the results are the same: Dust and his sword are about the same size, and Fidget is about half the height of both.

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  • The top of his hat due to the the pointy middle would be barely 2-3 inches above his head, not just because of ear placement, but also because unless he had some kind of rig under it to hold it higher, that's the only way it could possibly be resting on his head as well.

    Her feet alone are nearly the length of her legs, that is a LOT of height removed right there.

    And there is no possible way I could have screwed up moving things around, because it does not in any way change the scale, aspect, or size of the piece you copied-and-pasted and are moving around. You realize I said the sword handle right, not the entire sword? The sword WITH the handle are about 2/3rds Dust's height, and the handle is shorter than the blade.

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  • "I CAME IN LIKE A WRECKING BALL!!!" "all I WANTED WAS TO BREAK YOUR BALLS" "dammit fidget im never letting you do this again, please stop"

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  • Ohshit! It's been so long since I came back to this pic, I completely missed Tendo's counter-argument...Time for a rebuttal!

    TendoTwo said:
    The top of his hat due to the the pointy middle would be barely 2-3 inches above his head, not just because of ear placement, but also because unless he had some kind of rig under it to hold it higher, that's the only way it could possibly be resting on his head as well.

    He DOES have some kind of rig to hold it higher. It's called his long-ass ears. Those earholes are such a snug fit around his ears the hat rests atop them, rather than sinking all the way down to his head.

    TendoTwo said:
    Her feet alone are nearly the length of her legs, that is a LOT of height removed right there.

    No, it isn't. Like I said, I ended my measurements at her ankles. You know, the point where they attach to her legs? You know, the part that CAN'T HANG DOWN AT ALL from the termination of her actual height? And-again, like I said-I started my measurement at the top of her head, ignoring her own long ears. The only thing that could have thrown off my measurement is the fact her knees are bent, but that would make her TALLER than I thought, not shorter.

    TendoTwo said:
    And there is no possible way I could have screwed up moving things around, because it does not in any way change the scale, aspect, or size of the piece you copied-and-pasted and are moving around. You realize I said the sword handle right, not the entire sword? The sword WITH the handle are about 2/3rds Dust's height, and the handle is shorter than the blade.

    And what I said was, do the actual fucking measurements, don't rely on your computer to do them for you. Cutting, moving, and rotating in an image editing software can result in things getting distorted or misshapen, so take out a ruler and measure all the things against each other, in any picture that has all three entities in one shot. Or use dots on the edges of a piece of paper, if you must. However you do it, you'll find the same I did: Fidget is roughly half Dust's height. No shorter.

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  • Jacob said:
    Ohshit! It's been so long since I came back to this pic, I completely missed Tendo's counter-argument...Time for a rebuttal!

    He DOES have some kind of rig to hold it higher. It's called his long-ass ears. Those earholes are such a snug fit around his ears the hat rests atop them, rather than sinking all the way down to his head.

    No, it isn't. Like I said, I ended my measurements at her ankles. You know, the point where they attach to her legs? You know, the part that CAN'T HANG DOWN AT ALL from the termination of her actual height? And-again, like I said-I started my measurement at the top of her head, ignoring her own long ears. The only thing that could have thrown off my measurement is the fact her knees are bent, but that would make her TALLER than I thought, not shorter.

    And what I said was, do the actual fucking measurements, don't rely on your computer to do them for you. Cutting, moving, and rotating in an image editing software can result in things getting distorted or misshapen, so take out a ruler and measure all the things against each other, in any picture that has all three entities in one shot. Or use dots on the edges of a piece of paper, if you must. However you do it, you'll find the same I did: Fidget is roughly half Dust's height. No shorter.

    Ok lets end this argument right here by not comparing dust and fidget to each other or any other mythical creatures or items, but one of the few real world creatures that exist in the game, aka, the white-tailed deer in the Glade. If those deer are fully grown, (which judging by their markings, they are,) and comparing the sizes, this would make dust 4'1" and fidget 1'5". i think considering this, she would not be super tiny, like everyone thinks, and just shy of 3/8 of dusts height, which is not too far off from your estimate. I think this evaluation should be considered, as this is one of the only real world things we really have to compare to, and thus, is RELIABLE and CONSISTENT.

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  • the thing that was tripping everyone up, is that dust is not the typical height of a normal male person according to these estimates, he is actually SUPER short.

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